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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 25, 2018 9:59:06 GMT -8
Everyone converges at the Valley Beyond.
"You live only as long as the last person who remembers you."
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 25, 2018 10:11:41 GMT -8
Wow! Just so much in that episode. It was rather satisfying to see William as a miserable failed experiment after watching him torture so many hosts and kill his daughter. Be sure to watch through all of the credits so you don't miss that part.. Many hosts made it to a world where they are free to make it what they will, albeit without their bodies, it's all in their minds, but isn't everything? lol!
Who do you think Dolores brought with her in that purse? We see Bernard and herself and they implied Teddy. One has to be Maeve. I cannot imagine the show without Maeve! and one could be her Daddy, maybe?
they set us up for next year really well. this is not the end of the story..
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Post by Chris on Jun 25, 2018 12:14:19 GMT -8
Well Delores / Charlotte was already in a different body so that's 5 more balls, Bernard being one, so that leaves 4, then we see her in her old body talking to Bernard and Charlotte walking in but not speaking at the end, is she the System or core program or? Teddy was shown in the valley so his core was uploaded to the where that is. Delores didn't have time to body scavenge because things were flooding, I think Teddy is gone only because she felt badly turning him into what she did.I think we see new actors next season as ball hosts, Delores had the whole database to choose from. That's three balls we have questions for, I do believe one that is Charlotte is the system and database that will need to be put somewhere and protected.
Maeve is going to be rebuilt, the two humans and the way they focused on her multiple times, I think her core or ball is still in her head since nobody had time to go get it, she may remain in the Park, after all if they were going to shut it down why look for hosts that can be salvaged right? They have to still have ties there with some characters. That and the Security guy who questioned Delores/Charlotte is also a Host if you were watching close and the dialogue, the way he said things almost makes it unmistakable.
Now we get to the Post credit scene, The scene takes place well into the future after the flood of the Forge, somehow they justapositioned the MIB between time when Bernard and Delores went down and when he started to go down, there was red flashing lights when he went in the elevator and none when he came out, also he was in that tent injured when Delores got on the boat to go to the plane. I think that that was the real William in the tent.
Ok now my thoughts, since this is in the future the park must be back on line in some way, Delores or William himself had a copy made of him for either torture or because if he did it he was not done playing the game yet. It's his park and he has the money, keeping him alive in some way keeps the park under the control of the big wigs in control when all hell broke loose. Losing Delos, William, Ford may give control to someone else. William would not want that if he wanted to beat Ford still, also he was maimed and older anyway, a new body could fix a few issues so he could continue his quest. Having multiple copies isn't a problem as we have seen, Emily checking his fidelity and it appears over and over for a long time just means that there is a big game at play with Delores and William as well and Bernard in season 3,Emily being a host checking Williams fidelity and I say William and not her Dads just shows there are hosts created all over again.
Anthony Hopkins as Ford may not be back I think, we may have moved past him since Bernard deleted him from his core, Delores interacted with him a bit but really has moved on down the road as well, she is as I stated before the Arch Angel. Besides he is a costly guy to have on a retainer. In the Outside world money is power and being able to copy powerful people and put a host in their place is going to be how Delores gets control of the outside world. That's the easy part, how Bernard and the supporting characters for both of them interact and set this up is where a lot of the story is going to be at next season I think, Bernard's moral compass versus Delores's drive for her species at this point to survive. How this bounces between the park and outside world should be interesting William is obviously going to have to be a factor, how he will fit into the storyline now is going to be fun to watch, maybe he and Maeve interact in the park side somehow.
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 25, 2018 12:22:21 GMT -8
so much story left to tell. too much fun. now the long wait..
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Post by Chris on Jun 25, 2018 12:26:49 GMT -8
One last thing, Delores was telling the MIB that the real reason they were constructed the way they were to survive, she has a ton of knowledge way above her presumed role, we are under the impression she was the first one created by Abner, but we really don't know who Abner really was since Delores admittedly changed him, Ford was given the task of creating the hosts to be replicated as humans, Delos was just the money and William was charged with making the Park so to speak. WHO IS REALLY in charge then?
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 25, 2018 14:13:32 GMT -8
One last thing, Delores was telling the MIB that the real reason they were constructed the way they were to survive, she has a ton of knowledge way above her presumed role, we are under the impression she was the first one created by Abner, but we really don't know who Abner really was since Delores admittedly changed him, Ford was given the task of creating the hosts to be replicated as humans, Delos was just the money and William was charged with making the Park so to speak. WHO IS REALLY in charge then? we saw Dolores take the little ball from Teddys head along with the smashed bullet that "killed" him. Not sure how he made it to the valley beyond, but Dolores has the means to print a new body for him if she wants.
my take is that Arnold was human, died and then tested with a printed body many many times. after so many attempts Dolores decided to change him and he became "Bernard". There has got to be some sort of tie in with Miss Hale and Charlie. why else choose actors that look so much alike? I thought Tessa did a good job of being Dolores.
Whos's in charge? I guess not William lol!
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Post by Chris on Jun 25, 2018 19:00:56 GMT -8
One last thing, Delores was telling the MIB that the real reason they were constructed the way they were to survive, she has a ton of knowledge way above her presumed role, we are under the impression she was the first one created by Abner, but we really don't know who Abner really was since Delores admittedly changed him, Ford was given the task of creating the hosts to be replicated as humans, Delos was just the money and William was charged with making the Park so to speak. WHO IS REALLY in charge then? we saw Dolores take the little ball from Teddys head along with the smashed bullet that "killed" him. Not sure how he made it to the valley beyond, but Dolores has the means to print a new body for him if she wants.
my take is that Arnold was human, died and then tested with a printed body many many times. after so many attempts Dolores decided to change him and he became "Bernard". There has got to be some sort of tie in with Miss Hale and Charlie. why else choose actors that look so much alike? I thought Tessa did a good job of being Dolores.
Whos's in charge? I guess not William lol!That's the thing about Teddy, she took his ball, but they also said that when they go to the Valley there bodies are left behind and just their Core is moved there, this is where it is confusing, Delores could have put his ball up to be transferred, she was distressed that he killed himself because she had made him something that went against his core principles and would rather die. In the Valley he can be who he was.He could not cope in Westworld, I don't see how he would cope in the real world so to speak. Delores does need a partner though, why Charlie as you call her may be it, she is a enigma, I was thinking Delores needs a place for the system to reside so they can reboot the project somehow, Charlie wanted to kill all the Hosts, Delores kill all the humans, so who is in Charlies body ?
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 25, 2018 20:43:15 GMT -8
such a good question!
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Post by Stark Wolf on Jun 26, 2018 9:53:19 GMT -8
Guess I may be mixed up. I thought the whole season was about discovering immortality. They collected each visitor's brain cognition and it could be transfered to any organic body. I also believed, perhaps mistakenly that the balls Charlotte/ Delores had were more than one brain/person, but a large collection of data on many people. Again, perhaps mistakenly, all the balls she took were the complete data of the Delos collection. Meaning she now has the power as creator to choose any person she wants to recreate. They seem to have the forge to build the organic bodies and C/D has all the data, so she can create whomever??? Oh well, what do I know..... LOL!
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 26, 2018 10:04:29 GMT -8
Guess I may be mixed up. I thought the whole season was about discovering immortality. They collected each visitor's brain cognition and it could be transfered to any organic body. I also believed, perhaps mistakenly that the balls Charlotte/ Delores had were more than one brain/person, but a large collection of data on many people. Again, perhaps mistakenly, all the balls she took were the complete data of the Delos collection. Meaning she now has the power as creator to choose any person she wants to recreate. They seem to have the forge to build the organic bodies and C/D has all the data, so she can create whomever??? Oh well, what do I know..... LOL! sounds about right. many surprises for me this season..
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 26, 2018 13:04:03 GMT -8
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Post by Little LA on Jun 28, 2018 17:01:09 GMT -8
Just saw the posts. Am too tired to add anything thins evening, but I will tomorrow. We have been away for a few days! Goodnight all!
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 28, 2018 17:47:10 GMT -8
rewatching the season and it sure does make things clearer knowing what happens. I think they are very good at story telling
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Post by Desert Woman on Jun 28, 2018 20:24:10 GMT -8
How come Dolores is indestructible but they other hosts can be killed?
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Post by Little LA on Jun 29, 2018 15:10:03 GMT -8
How come Dolores is indestructible but they other hosts can be killed? "That's how the story goes"... lol.
You know, it's the same as young Arthur being the only person able to draw the sword from the stone. At least that's what I tell my grandchildren.
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